Truth.Seeker
posted on Aug 18, 2009 - 07:20 AM
Actually, that wasn't sarcasm. Sarcasm would be, "really, I thought it was the eastern bunny." And I didn't say this to cover up that I was wrong - I wasn't. I used this to jokingly point out that you're wrong in thinking that quoting that would be sufficient to show that I am wrong.
Would St. Gregory contradict St. Paul? Would the Coptic Orthodox Church contradict the Holy Bible every time we pray the Gregorian Liturgy? Here is what we have from the Bible (and it cannot be more explicit):
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Here is what you quoted:
The serpent deceived them both, and one was not found to be stronger and the other weaker.
You seem to want to forget about 1 Timothy 2:14 altogether and stick to everything else that you can use to support your position, including this passage from the Gregorian Liturgy.
Let's look into it:
John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Did the devil ever murder anyone himself? No. Our Lord Jesus Christ was imputing to the devil all of the sins which he caused people to commit. In other words, the passage in St. Gregory's Liturgy doesn't contradict the fact that Eve was deceived first, then the devil deceived Adam by using Eve. Just like the devil used Cain to kill Abel.
That, however, does not take the devil's tool off the hook for the sins they cause others to commit (nor does it take the hook off the ones who commit them just because they were instigated by others):
Matthew 18:6-7
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!
