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Agreements Between the Roman and Coptic Orthodox Churches

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Truth.Seeker

posted on Oct 21, 2009 - 10:18 PM

That's what I thought (Eucharist is limited to married persons). Is PaulS's original statement unqualified? He said, "We do not refuse Holy Communion to Roman Orthodox persons and vice versa." Do we only not refuse it if the Byzantine Orthodox is married to a Copt AND is from a Byzantine Orthodox Church in St. Mark's See?

I used to be able to find this 1998 document on Wikipedia some years ago, I can't find it now for some reason. I second Mina's request - anyone have it?

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Truth.Seeker

posted on Oct 21, 2009 - 10:22 PM

That's what I thought (taking Communion only applies to married couples, and the Byzantine Orthodox party has to be from the See of St. Mark). Is PaulS's original statement unqualified? "We do not refuse Holy Communion to Roman Orthodox persons and vice versa."

I used to be able to find the 1998 agreement on Wikipedia some years ago, I can't seem to find it these days. I second Mina's request - anyone know its whereabouts?

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minasoliman

posted on Oct 21, 2009 - 11:37 PM

The monks of St. Catherine's Monastery are a unique separate body of the Eastern Orthodox group, an autonomous group that has its own Archbishop, whose ordination is dependent on the EO Patriarch of Jerusalem. So, consider St. Catherine's Monastery as an EO Church of different jurisdiction from that of the EO Church of Alexandria.

In other words, even if there is full communion between the two Alexandrian Orthodox churches, this agreement does not apply to the Orthodox of Mt. Sinai.

George, as you can see the lecture of HE Metropolitan Bishoy was also given in 2005. Maybe if someone can ask Bishoy Mikhail on any updates, because I got the impression that marriage is not a limit anymore specifically in Egypt.

Truth-Seeker, do you have HE's lecture? Or did you read this from somewhere online? Can you give the link? Thanks.

God bless.

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minasoliman

posted on Oct 21, 2009 - 11:49 PM

The monks of St. Catherine's Monastery are a unique separate body of the Eastern Orthodox group, an autonomous group that has its own Archbishop, whose ordination is dependent on the EO Patriarch of Jerusalem. So, consider St. Catherine's Monastery as an EO Church of different jurisdiction from that of the EO Church of Alexandria.

In other words, even if there is full communion between the two Alexandrian Orthodox churches, this agreement does not apply to the Orthodox of Mt. Sinai.

George, as you can see the lecture of HE Metropolitan Bishoy was also given in 2005. Maybe if someone can ask Bishoy Mikhail on any updates, because I got the impression that marriage is not a limit anymore specifically in Egypt.

Truth-Seeker, do you have HE's lecture? Or did you read this from somewhere online? Can you give the link? Thanks.

God bless.

Joined: May 22, 2003 | Posts: 1789

minasoliman

posted on Oct 22, 2009 - 12:00 AM

The monks of St. Catherine's Monastery are a unique separate body of the Eastern Orthodox group, an autonomous group that has its own Archbishop, whose ordination is dependent on the EO Patriarch of Jerusalem. So, consider St. Catherine's Monastery as an EO Church of different jurisdiction from that of the EO Church of Alexandria.

In other words, even if there is full communion between the two Alexandrian Orthodox churches, this agreement does not apply to the Orthodox of Mt. Sinai.

George, as you can see the lecture of HE Metropolitan Bishoy was also given in 2005. Maybe if someone can ask Bishoy Mikhail on any updates, because I got the impression that marriage is not a limit anymore specifically in Egypt.

Truth-Seeker, do you have HE's lecture? Or did you read this from somewhere online? Can you give the link? Thanks.

God bless.

Joined: May 22, 2003 | Posts: 1789

minasoliman

posted on Oct 22, 2009 - 12:11 AM

The monks of St. Catherine's Monastery are a unique separate body of the Eastern Orthodox group, an autonomous group that has its own Archbishop, whose ordination is dependent on the EO Patriarch of Jerusalem. So, consider St. Catherine's Monastery as an EO Church of different jurisdiction from that of the EO Church of Alexandria.

In other words, even if there is full communion between the two Alexandrian Orthodox churches, this agreement does not apply to the Orthodox of Mt. Sinai.

George, as you can see the lecture of HE Metropolitan Bishoy was also given in 2005. Maybe if someone can ask Bishoy Mikhail on any updates, because I got the impression that marriage is not a limit anymore specifically in Egypt.

Truth-Seeker, do you have HE's lecture? Or did you read this from somewhere online? Can you give the link? Thanks.

God bless.

Joined: May 22, 2003 | Posts: 1789

minasoliman

posted on Oct 22, 2009 - 07:03 AM

Hell?o?

Joined: May 22, 2003 | Posts: 1789

minasoliman

posted on Oct 23, 2009 - 06:15 AM

The monks of St. Catherine's Monastery are a unique separate body of the Eastern Orthodox group, an autonomous group that has its own Archbishop, whose ordination is dependent on the EO Patriarch of Jerusalem. So, consider St. Catherine's Monastery as an EO Church of different jurisdiction from that of the EO Church of Alexandria.

In other words, even if there is full communion between the two Alexandrian Orthodox churches, this agreement does not apply to the Orthodox of Mt. Sinai.

George, as you can see the lecture of HE Metropolitan Bishoy was also given in 2005. Maybe if someone can ask Bishoy Mikhail on any updates, because I got the impression that marriage is not a limit anymore specifically in Egypt.

Truth-Seeker, do you have HE's lecture? Or did you read this from somewhere online? Can you give the link? Thanks.

God bless.

Joined: May 22, 2003 | Posts: 1789

Truth.Seeker

posted on Oct 25, 2009 - 06:02 PM

From some discussions that Met. Bishoy gave, I think the married couple can take communion in either church.

Joined: Feb 25, 2008 | Posts: 961

Truth.Seeker

posted on Oct 27, 2009 - 08:20 PM

Here's a link to the agreement b/w the COC and the GOC of Alexandria:

http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state05.html

We accept each other's baptisms, and all the other sacraments can only be administered to married couples.

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